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	<title>Comments on: iPods: ruin of civilization?</title>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://usuphilosophy.com/2007/08/06/ipods-ruin-of-civilization/#comment-780</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought I wanted I iPod.  Then I saw how expensive they are.  WAY, WAY out of my budget.  So I figured, it doesn&#039;t need to be an iPod...it could be any kind of mp3 player.  But I didn&#039;t really know how much I would use it and did I really want to pay $30-$40 for something that would just end up on my shelf.  So I borrowed an iRiver one from a friend who has 7 or 8 of them.  Right away, I was put off with the fact I had to install software in order to be able to transfer files to it.  But, fine.  If that&#039;s what I must do.  So I loaded it up.  2 gigs full of songs.  And it just sat there.  And sat there.  And sat there.  I had the thing for 2 months and had never touched it after loading the songs onto it.  I just don&#039;t have the kind of lifestyle that has room for an iPod (or similar device).  The only time I would ever conceivably use it is when I&#039;m in my car driving.  But, I have a CD player in my car already.  And I&#039;m not about to spend however much money to make my car mp3 capable.

It&#039;s just not for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I wanted I iPod.  Then I saw how expensive they are.  WAY, WAY out of my budget.  So I figured, it doesn&#8217;t need to be an iPod&#8230;it could be any kind of mp3 player.  But I didn&#8217;t really know how much I would use it and did I really want to pay $30-$40 for something that would just end up on my shelf.  So I borrowed an iRiver one from a friend who has 7 or 8 of them.  Right away, I was put off with the fact I had to install software in order to be able to transfer files to it.  But, fine.  If that&#8217;s what I must do.  So I loaded it up.  2 gigs full of songs.  And it just sat there.  And sat there.  And sat there.  I had the thing for 2 months and had never touched it after loading the songs onto it.  I just don&#8217;t have the kind of lifestyle that has room for an iPod (or similar device).  The only time I would ever conceivably use it is when I&#8217;m in my car driving.  But, I have a CD player in my car already.  And I&#8217;m not about to spend however much money to make my car mp3 capable.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just not for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://usuphilosophy.com/2007/08/06/ipods-ruin-of-civilization/#comment-779</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

I must disagree with the idea that cultural illiteracy is the natural condition of human society.  My wife and I lived in Germany for a few years.  Our Germany neighbors and friends were well read and well informed.  Our American obsession with low culture of pleasure encourages technology to focus on self-pleasure.  Our society&#039;s focus on wealth demands a sacrifice of time for greed&#039;s sake.  Both leaves little room for a well-rounded education and sitting around in Beer Gardens discussing philosophy and international politics.  

Very few Americans know that the Federal Chancellor of the Germany is Angela Merkel ... a woman.  Nearly every German is aware of the candidates for the US president let alone who the current president is.  That isn&#039;t because the US is so important.  The typical German also knows who the important leaders are in France, England, Italy, Russia, Japan, etc, etc, etc.  

The difference?  They are a culture that prizes education and culture. They WANT to understand the difference between Kant and Kierkegaard, Bach and Brahms, Hawking and Heisenberg, Dickens and Dostoevsky, Hillary and Huckabee.  They make continuing education cheap and available (Volksschule) to allow adults to study culture, history, philosophy, languages, etc.  Our continuing education options are expensive and they focus on money-earning technological talents.  We prize money and pleasure.  

We are a greedy pleasure bound people.  Why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>I must disagree with the idea that cultural illiteracy is the natural condition of human society.  My wife and I lived in Germany for a few years.  Our Germany neighbors and friends were well read and well informed.  Our American obsession with low culture of pleasure encourages technology to focus on self-pleasure.  Our society&#8217;s focus on wealth demands a sacrifice of time for greed&#8217;s sake.  Both leaves little room for a well-rounded education and sitting around in Beer Gardens discussing philosophy and international politics.  </p>
<p>Very few Americans know that the Federal Chancellor of the Germany is Angela Merkel &#8230; a woman.  Nearly every German is aware of the candidates for the US president let alone who the current president is.  That isn&#8217;t because the US is so important.  The typical German also knows who the important leaders are in France, England, Italy, Russia, Japan, etc, etc, etc.  </p>
<p>The difference?  They are a culture that prizes education and culture. They WANT to understand the difference between Kant and Kierkegaard, Bach and Brahms, Hawking and Heisenberg, Dickens and Dostoevsky, Hillary and Huckabee.  They make continuing education cheap and available (Volksschule) to allow adults to study culture, history, philosophy, languages, etc.  Our continuing education options are expensive and they focus on money-earning technological talents.  We prize money and pleasure.  </p>
<p>We are a greedy pleasure bound people.  Why?</p>
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		<title>By: Kleiner</title>
		<link>http://usuphilosophy.com/2007/08/06/ipods-ruin-of-civilization/#comment-774</link>
		<dc:creator>Kleiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, a balance needs to be struck.  That said, I tend to think that we move too quickly to their &quot;production&quot;.  I have to work very hard to get my students to stop and stay a while with a text.  Ingest it, reflect on it, understand it - before you go on sharing your opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, a balance needs to be struck.  That said, I tend to think that we move too quickly to their &#8220;production&#8221;.  I have to work very hard to get my students to stop and stay a while with a text.  Ingest it, reflect on it, understand it &#8211; before you go on sharing your opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Harris</title>
		<link>http://usuphilosophy.com/2007/08/06/ipods-ruin-of-civilization/#comment-772</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will do some backtracking as well: a large percentage of our population is culturally illiterate.  That is, they know little about and do not understand the history and traditions that make up our culture. This is likely a situation that has always been true, but it is likely getting worse in recent years as well.
By the way, I think any hope of maintaining and promoting cultural literacy has to be both bookish and technophilic. Technology is not going to &quot;set us free,&quot; as it were, but neither is genuflecting before great books. I&#039;m thinking of a Roland Barthes readerly versus writerly kind of thing here. People have to feel engaged in the production of their our culture. It can&#039;t be something that is spoon fed to them: Mmmm, tastes good! And it&#039;s good for you too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will do some backtracking as well: a large percentage of our population is culturally illiterate.  That is, they know little about and do not understand the history and traditions that make up our culture. This is likely a situation that has always been true, but it is likely getting worse in recent years as well.<br />
By the way, I think any hope of maintaining and promoting cultural literacy has to be both bookish and technophilic. Technology is not going to &#8220;set us free,&#8221; as it were, but neither is genuflecting before great books. I&#8217;m thinking of a Roland Barthes readerly versus writerly kind of thing here. People have to feel engaged in the production of their our culture. It can&#8217;t be something that is spoon fed to them: Mmmm, tastes good! And it&#8217;s good for you too!</p>
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		<title>By: Kleiner</title>
		<link>http://usuphilosophy.com/2007/08/06/ipods-ruin-of-civilization/#comment-771</link>
		<dc:creator>Kleiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your are right, there is plenty of hyperbole here.  I use the hyperbole sometimes, but not to the end that you suggest.  I am not trying to give up on people, I am just worried about my students and my culture. I agree with your final sentiments on your blog post - we have work to do!  So if your argument is that the hyperbole is overblown, then you are right.  But if your argument is that there is no problem, then I think you have your head in the sand.  (I think, by the way, that you are suggesting the more reasonable former, not the less reasonable latter position).

If you look back at the original post from Huenemann, the concern was with a loss of &quot;cultural literacy&quot;.  As the conversation developed, reading came up (or the lack of reading) as one possible cause of this growing cultural illiteracy (along with the general &quot;automation&quot; of our lives).

Anyway, let me backtrack to that point.  I don&#039;t have any fancy studies to back up my position, this is just my sense of things.  Most of my students are culturally illiterate.  They have not read, or even been exposed to, most of the great books that make up our tradition.  They look at me blankly when I mention Homer, Chaucer, even Twain.  I asked one of my classes just the other day how many had read one of Shakespeare&#039;s tragedies.  The answer: less than 15% of the class.  I find this shocking (how could they have graduated high school?) and depressing.  

There are, I would think, a whole host of causes for this phenomenon of estrangement from our tradition.  A fascination with the new (and the attending sneer about anything old).  A culture of individualism and &quot;originality&quot; that always asks for how individuals &quot;feel&quot; rather than how others might have thought.  We could go on and on.  But I think it is naive to think that a diminishment of reading (whether it be newspapers, novels, or philosophy) does not have something to do with it.  I don&#039;t think this is a good thing, but isn&#039;t it obvious that reading is being edged out by other media (television, iPod, web, etc)?

My point would just be this: cultural literacy is important, and we won&#039;t have a culturally literate population unless almost everyone starts to read more.  I mean more both in terms of higher quantity but also higher quality (why does the Da Vinci Code, as exciting as it was, pass for substantive theological reflection?).  At least some of time our students spend on the web is reading, but aren&#039;t they mostly just reading crap there?

So this is not an attack on reading - it is a call for the cultural necessity of raising both the quantity and quality of the books we read.  

And this is not an attack on libraries.  (Disclaimer, I know next to nothing about library science).  That said, I often wonder if libraries are really attending to this problem.  In my humble opinion, libraries these days seem far more concerned with having the latest and greatest technologies than with really growing an interest in reading.  (Educators often make this same mistake, thinking that a fancier power point presentation makes their class better).  In our USU library, the first thing you see when you walk in is not a book, it is a computer, and the computer labs are trafficked far more than the reading rooms.  The upstairs reading lounge is almost always empty.  The same is true of the Logan library, video and other electronic media are front and center.

I am not blaming libraries (though I don&#039;t think they are blameless either).  We all have a hand in creating the problem, and in working toward a solution.  Secondary ed curriculum need to be totally overhauled.  Profs need to assign reading and come up with better ways of encouraging it.  Parents need to model reading in the home.  Profs and librarians need to teach students the largely lost traditional research skills (searching and reading traditional journals, etc).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your are right, there is plenty of hyperbole here.  I use the hyperbole sometimes, but not to the end that you suggest.  I am not trying to give up on people, I am just worried about my students and my culture. I agree with your final sentiments on your blog post &#8211; we have work to do!  So if your argument is that the hyperbole is overblown, then you are right.  But if your argument is that there is no problem, then I think you have your head in the sand.  (I think, by the way, that you are suggesting the more reasonable former, not the less reasonable latter position).</p>
<p>If you look back at the original post from Huenemann, the concern was with a loss of &#8220;cultural literacy&#8221;.  As the conversation developed, reading came up (or the lack of reading) as one possible cause of this growing cultural illiteracy (along with the general &#8220;automation&#8221; of our lives).</p>
<p>Anyway, let me backtrack to that point.  I don&#8217;t have any fancy studies to back up my position, this is just my sense of things.  Most of my students are culturally illiterate.  They have not read, or even been exposed to, most of the great books that make up our tradition.  They look at me blankly when I mention Homer, Chaucer, even Twain.  I asked one of my classes just the other day how many had read one of Shakespeare&#8217;s tragedies.  The answer: less than 15% of the class.  I find this shocking (how could they have graduated high school?) and depressing.  </p>
<p>There are, I would think, a whole host of causes for this phenomenon of estrangement from our tradition.  A fascination with the new (and the attending sneer about anything old).  A culture of individualism and &#8220;originality&#8221; that always asks for how individuals &#8220;feel&#8221; rather than how others might have thought.  We could go on and on.  But I think it is naive to think that a diminishment of reading (whether it be newspapers, novels, or philosophy) does not have something to do with it.  I don&#8217;t think this is a good thing, but isn&#8217;t it obvious that reading is being edged out by other media (television, iPod, web, etc)?</p>
<p>My point would just be this: cultural literacy is important, and we won&#8217;t have a culturally literate population unless almost everyone starts to read more.  I mean more both in terms of higher quantity but also higher quality (why does the Da Vinci Code, as exciting as it was, pass for substantive theological reflection?).  At least some of time our students spend on the web is reading, but aren&#8217;t they mostly just reading crap there?</p>
<p>So this is not an attack on reading &#8211; it is a call for the cultural necessity of raising both the quantity and quality of the books we read.  </p>
<p>And this is not an attack on libraries.  (Disclaimer, I know next to nothing about library science).  That said, I often wonder if libraries are really attending to this problem.  In my humble opinion, libraries these days seem far more concerned with having the latest and greatest technologies than with really growing an interest in reading.  (Educators often make this same mistake, thinking that a fancier power point presentation makes their class better).  In our USU library, the first thing you see when you walk in is not a book, it is a computer, and the computer labs are trafficked far more than the reading rooms.  The upstairs reading lounge is almost always empty.  The same is true of the Logan library, video and other electronic media are front and center.</p>
<p>I am not blaming libraries (though I don&#8217;t think they are blameless either).  We all have a hand in creating the problem, and in working toward a solution.  Secondary ed curriculum need to be totally overhauled.  Profs need to assign reading and come up with better ways of encouraging it.  Parents need to model reading in the home.  Profs and librarians need to teach students the largely lost traditional research skills (searching and reading traditional journals, etc).</p>
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		<title>By: NOBODY reads anymore &#171; Collections 2.0</title>
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		<dc:creator>NOBODY reads anymore &#171; Collections 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]    I argued recently with a couple of philosophy faculty at my school about the assertion that nobody reads anymore. Seems there is a feeding frenzy of this idea lately. Dennis Dillon from the University of Texas [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kleiner</title>
		<link>http://usuphilosophy.com/2007/08/06/ipods-ruin-of-civilization/#comment-440</link>
		<dc:creator>Kleiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 03:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like how BloodandAshes has framed the issue as a failure to be &quot;attuned&quot; to the natural world and ourselves which comes from being constantly &quot;plugged in&quot;.  This failure to &quot;listen&quot; and to &quot;think&quot; (I would argue that those two things are synonomous in the later Heideggerian notion of attunement) has had catastrophic social and personal consequences.  And there is now a term for the iGeneration&#039;s technological retreat from nature, Richard Louv coined the term &quot;nature-defificit disorder&quot;.  You can read about it in his book &quot;Last Child in the Woods: Saving Our Children From Nature-Deficit Disorder&quot;

Here is a review:

http://dir.salon.com/story/mwt/feature/2005/06/02/Louv/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like how BloodandAshes has framed the issue as a failure to be &#8220;attuned&#8221; to the natural world and ourselves which comes from being constantly &#8220;plugged in&#8221;.  This failure to &#8220;listen&#8221; and to &#8220;think&#8221; (I would argue that those two things are synonomous in the later Heideggerian notion of attunement) has had catastrophic social and personal consequences.  And there is now a term for the iGeneration&#8217;s technological retreat from nature, Richard Louv coined the term &#8220;nature-defificit disorder&#8221;.  You can read about it in his book &#8220;Last Child in the Woods: Saving Our Children From Nature-Deficit Disorder&#8221;</p>
<p>Here is a review:</p>
<p><a href="http://dir.salon.com/story/mwt/feature/2005/06/02/Louv/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://dir.salon.com/story/mwt/feature/2005/06/02/Louv/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Blood_and_ashes</title>
		<link>http://usuphilosophy.com/2007/08/06/ipods-ruin-of-civilization/#comment-439</link>
		<dc:creator>Blood_and_ashes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 01:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good sir, I did not mean to worry you. I simply had the pleasure of watching Dr. Kleiner and Dr. Sherlock obliterate people in my into and social ethics classes, so I always prepare for the worst, but I suppose that is just the sign of a poor argument! Then again, I do not wish to follow Descartes by stating my arguments are superior to anything the human mind can construct. 

Something that relates to the disconnect is what Kleiner pointed out early on. Technology has made the media so portable, to easy to acquire that almost no thought is put into it anymore. Since no one really has to play an instrument to &#039;make music&#039; anymore, with the advent of computer programming, it seems to have become a crutch and an excuse to not take music, or art, seriously. While most composers probably cannot play their best work, they still understand the process of sound, of musical language and of &#039;listening&#039; as Heidegger might say. Now anyone can talk over random chords and it will sell, or at least be downloaded like crazy, not because it is quality but because it is &#039;cute&#039; &#039;punk&#039;  or &#039;has a great beat!&#039; As a result the discipline and skill that even drove musical eugenics for centuries has fallen, and even the strong art of the few is swallowed up by trash. However, the ipod isn&#039;t entirely to blame, since the attitude of &#039;its all music man!&#039; has been around for quite some time, and exacerbated during the Napster trials. 
Speaking of walking without headphones, I would prefer to have great music over the mindless chatter of the kiddie horde, but I would even more prefer to hear the wind, the trees, the bell chimes of Old Main. It is the romantic in me, but I enjoy letting my senses absorb the world around and compute the ambiance. It is an old human survival skill, to detect surroundings and the environment, that in some has evolved to a transcendent beauty, but for most has vanished or become annoying. To survive is to listen, to take in, to pay attention, and the iGeneration seems to have suspended that or tried to push it away, perhaps because they want the one dimensional connection, and to pay attention is to be forced to join in, to respond, to truly interact rather than dominate. 
In fact this reminds me of the electronic ab flexer machine that I saw a commercial for. The people want the positive and attractive results, all the control, without the effort or sacrificing, without &#039;earning&#039; it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good sir, I did not mean to worry you. I simply had the pleasure of watching Dr. Kleiner and Dr. Sherlock obliterate people in my into and social ethics classes, so I always prepare for the worst, but I suppose that is just the sign of a poor argument! Then again, I do not wish to follow Descartes by stating my arguments are superior to anything the human mind can construct. </p>
<p>Something that relates to the disconnect is what Kleiner pointed out early on. Technology has made the media so portable, to easy to acquire that almost no thought is put into it anymore. Since no one really has to play an instrument to &#8216;make music&#8217; anymore, with the advent of computer programming, it seems to have become a crutch and an excuse to not take music, or art, seriously. While most composers probably cannot play their best work, they still understand the process of sound, of musical language and of &#8216;listening&#8217; as Heidegger might say. Now anyone can talk over random chords and it will sell, or at least be downloaded like crazy, not because it is quality but because it is &#8216;cute&#8217; &#8216;punk&#8217;  or &#8216;has a great beat!&#8217; As a result the discipline and skill that even drove musical eugenics for centuries has fallen, and even the strong art of the few is swallowed up by trash. However, the ipod isn&#8217;t entirely to blame, since the attitude of &#8216;its all music man!&#8217; has been around for quite some time, and exacerbated during the Napster trials.<br />
Speaking of walking without headphones, I would prefer to have great music over the mindless chatter of the kiddie horde, but I would even more prefer to hear the wind, the trees, the bell chimes of Old Main. It is the romantic in me, but I enjoy letting my senses absorb the world around and compute the ambiance. It is an old human survival skill, to detect surroundings and the environment, that in some has evolved to a transcendent beauty, but for most has vanished or become annoying. To survive is to listen, to take in, to pay attention, and the iGeneration seems to have suspended that or tried to push it away, perhaps because they want the one dimensional connection, and to pay attention is to be forced to join in, to respond, to truly interact rather than dominate.<br />
In fact this reminds me of the electronic ab flexer machine that I saw a commercial for. The people want the positive and attractive results, all the control, without the effort or sacrificing, without &#8216;earning&#8217; it.</p>
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		<title>By: Huenemann</title>
		<link>http://usuphilosophy.com/2007/08/06/ipods-ruin-of-civilization/#comment-437</link>
		<dc:creator>Huenemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear me -- I don&#039;t have this reputation, do I? It seems to me that Mr. blood-n-ashes is mostly right: media today allows for a lot of escapism, and even more fragmentation among and within individuals. In fact - I think I&#039;m proud to say -- I&#039;ve given up wearing my iPod on walks across campus simply because it actually seems rude to distance myself from others by doing so. Who says philosophy doesn&#039;t change lives?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear me &#8212; I don&#8217;t have this reputation, do I? It seems to me that Mr. blood-n-ashes is mostly right: media today allows for a lot of escapism, and even more fragmentation among and within individuals. In fact &#8211; I think I&#8217;m proud to say &#8212; I&#8217;ve given up wearing my iPod on walks across campus simply because it actually seems rude to distance myself from others by doing so. Who says philosophy doesn&#8217;t change lives?!</p>
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		<title>By: Blood_and_ashes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blood_and_ashes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am both glad to finally get around to posting on this topic (music is a very close thing to me) and enraged to not have the time to say much! I think Vince makes an excellent point involving the lost intimacy from the disconnect. Youth wish to remove themselves from contact as much as possible, yet still possess the insecurity that in some bizarre form drives a person to seek social construct, whether it is from the need for enlightenment or the need for protection. This is why so many kids will wear ipods during a car trip, but will sit all day playing World of Warcraft and dressing like Matrix characters. They yearn for a conversation without encountering the source, without ever seeing The Face, perhaps because they do not wish to be judged &#039;Guilty!&#039;. I too watched far too much tv during my years growing up, and spent far too much time worrying about the fabricated lives of rpg characters imprinted on a videogame disc. I never listen to that loser Marylin Manson anymore, but he was quite astute in stating that most kids listen to dreary, or overtly noisy, or any other sort of music because they will not be judged, belittled, taunted, or in a strange way, cared for. I read an interview in Lords of Chaos where Isahn, the satanist leader of the band Emperor, stated that he hated christianity because it &quot;has no morals, it judges nothing, it stands up for nothing, and lets mediocre go wild.&quot; Many may not agree, but he raises a point of standards that coincides with my judgement of ipods. While this isn&#039;t ALWAYS the case, I see so many kids who just plug in, hit shuffle, and listen to whatever decimates their eardrums. They call this being &quot;openminded&quot; but to me it signifies that they have no way of discerning quality music, and therefore perhaps quality literature, philosophy, argument, art, ideas from one another. They could listen to either Bach or that horrible Falloutboy song(and let this be the only time these are mentioned together!) and would notice nothing, sense nothing, &#039;feel&#039; nothing. The music has in a fatalistic way been stripped of its value until it is nothing more than a pulsing sound that occupies space. The music itself becomes a mere accessory, nothing of cultural or personal value, which I think is certainly a sign of our national collapse, despite prosperity(remember Rome!). I think the loss of intimacy falls in line with this problem as being a loss of the dynamic. We can still absorb the works of Nietzsche, Heiddeger, Descartes, and Lovecraft as memory, but what of their meaning, of contemplation, of understanding? When we chip away from the conversation we lose this capacity, because it is often through conversation, perhaps through lecture or through comrades, that we gain this understanding. To paraphrase Harrison, you should never read alone, but the spirit of the disconnect, most conveniently showcased by ipods, is doing just that. Our experiences become one dimensional, and so do we, and we lose our ability to work as a unit of civilization, as a community. 
Sorry for the long post. Now I await for Dr. Heueneman to tear me to shreds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am both glad to finally get around to posting on this topic (music is a very close thing to me) and enraged to not have the time to say much! I think Vince makes an excellent point involving the lost intimacy from the disconnect. Youth wish to remove themselves from contact as much as possible, yet still possess the insecurity that in some bizarre form drives a person to seek social construct, whether it is from the need for enlightenment or the need for protection. This is why so many kids will wear ipods during a car trip, but will sit all day playing World of Warcraft and dressing like Matrix characters. They yearn for a conversation without encountering the source, without ever seeing The Face, perhaps because they do not wish to be judged &#8216;Guilty!&#8217;. I too watched far too much tv during my years growing up, and spent far too much time worrying about the fabricated lives of rpg characters imprinted on a videogame disc. I never listen to that loser Marylin Manson anymore, but he was quite astute in stating that most kids listen to dreary, or overtly noisy, or any other sort of music because they will not be judged, belittled, taunted, or in a strange way, cared for. I read an interview in Lords of Chaos where Isahn, the satanist leader of the band Emperor, stated that he hated christianity because it &#8220;has no morals, it judges nothing, it stands up for nothing, and lets mediocre go wild.&#8221; Many may not agree, but he raises a point of standards that coincides with my judgement of ipods. While this isn&#8217;t ALWAYS the case, I see so many kids who just plug in, hit shuffle, and listen to whatever decimates their eardrums. They call this being &#8220;openminded&#8221; but to me it signifies that they have no way of discerning quality music, and therefore perhaps quality literature, philosophy, argument, art, ideas from one another. They could listen to either Bach or that horrible Falloutboy song(and let this be the only time these are mentioned together!) and would notice nothing, sense nothing, &#8216;feel&#8217; nothing. The music has in a fatalistic way been stripped of its value until it is nothing more than a pulsing sound that occupies space. The music itself becomes a mere accessory, nothing of cultural or personal value, which I think is certainly a sign of our national collapse, despite prosperity(remember Rome!). I think the loss of intimacy falls in line with this problem as being a loss of the dynamic. We can still absorb the works of Nietzsche, Heiddeger, Descartes, and Lovecraft as memory, but what of their meaning, of contemplation, of understanding? When we chip away from the conversation we lose this capacity, because it is often through conversation, perhaps through lecture or through comrades, that we gain this understanding. To paraphrase Harrison, you should never read alone, but the spirit of the disconnect, most conveniently showcased by ipods, is doing just that. Our experiences become one dimensional, and so do we, and we lose our ability to work as a unit of civilization, as a community.<br />
Sorry for the long post. Now I await for Dr. Heueneman to tear me to shreds.</p>
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