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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://usuphilosophy.com/2009/05/28/sotomayor-thoughts/#comment-2996</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 08:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While Sotomayor&#039;s nomination certainly begs the age-old question as to the role pragmatism/consequentialism should play in the methodologies employed by the justices, I think it also calls out a few of the more problematic aspects of statutory interpretation as well. I thing this is a good starting point: is there, implicit in textuality of the constitution, an assumption that strict adherence to its words will produce the best social policy? I guess I&#039;m operating under the (postmodern) assumption that consequentialism is inevitable, i.e. the justices can and do discern the implications of the ways they rule in particular cases.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Sotomayor&#8217;s nomination certainly begs the age-old question as to the role pragmatism/consequentialism should play in the methodologies employed by the justices, I think it also calls out a few of the more problematic aspects of statutory interpretation as well. I thing this is a good starting point: is there, implicit in textuality of the constitution, an assumption that strict adherence to its words will produce the best social policy? I guess I&#8217;m operating under the (postmodern) assumption that consequentialism is inevitable, i.e. the justices can and do discern the implications of the ways they rule in particular cases.</p>
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		<title>By: Huenemann</title>
		<link>http://usuphilosophy.com/2009/05/28/sotomayor-thoughts/#comment-2977</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right after that now-infamous line, Sotomayor continues:

&quot;Let us not forget that wise men like Oliver Wendell Holmes and Justice Cardozo voted on cases which upheld both sex and race discrimination in our society. Until 1972, no Supreme Court case ever upheld the claim of a woman in a gender discrimination case. I, like Professor Carter, believe that we should not be so myopic as to believe that others of different experiences or backgrounds are incapable of understanding the values and needs of people from a different group. Many are so capable. As Judge Cedarbaum pointed out to me, nine white men on the Supreme Court in the past have done so on many occasions and on many issues including Brown.

&quot;However, to understand takes time and effort, something that not all people are willing to give. For others, their experiences limit their ability to understand the experiences of others. Other simply do not care. Hence, one must accept the proposition that a difference there will be by the presence of women and people of color on the bench. Personal experiences affect the facts that judges choose to see. My hope is that I will take the good from my experiences and extrapolate them further into areas with which I am unfamiliar. I simply do not know exactly what that difference will be in my judging. But I accept there will be some based on my gender and my Latina heritage.&quot;

The whole speech is available &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/politics/15judge.text.html?pagewanted=1&amp;_r=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right after that now-infamous line, Sotomayor continues:</p>
<p>&#8220;Let us not forget that wise men like Oliver Wendell Holmes and Justice Cardozo voted on cases which upheld both sex and race discrimination in our society. Until 1972, no Supreme Court case ever upheld the claim of a woman in a gender discrimination case. I, like Professor Carter, believe that we should not be so myopic as to believe that others of different experiences or backgrounds are incapable of understanding the values and needs of people from a different group. Many are so capable. As Judge Cedarbaum pointed out to me, nine white men on the Supreme Court in the past have done so on many occasions and on many issues including Brown.</p>
<p>&#8220;However, to understand takes time and effort, something that not all people are willing to give. For others, their experiences limit their ability to understand the experiences of others. Other simply do not care. Hence, one must accept the proposition that a difference there will be by the presence of women and people of color on the bench. Personal experiences affect the facts that judges choose to see. My hope is that I will take the good from my experiences and extrapolate them further into areas with which I am unfamiliar. I simply do not know exactly what that difference will be in my judging. But I accept there will be some based on my gender and my Latina heritage.&#8221;</p>
<p>The whole speech is available <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/politics/15judge.text.html?pagewanted=1&amp;_r=1" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://usuphilosophy.com/2009/05/28/sotomayor-thoughts/#comment-2976</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whoops, I didn&#039;t mean &quot;constructivism&quot; but &quot;living constitutionalism&quot;...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops, I didn&#8217;t mean &#8220;constructivism&#8221; but &#8220;living constitutionalism&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://usuphilosophy.com/2009/05/28/sotomayor-thoughts/#comment-2975</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, nice.  That article captures quite clearly just what I&#039;ve been trying to get at, and how it&#039;s connected with issues concerning fictionalism about values.  I agree with you about Scalia, too -- again, just as a lay person who find entertainment in Scalia&#039;s appearances on CSPAN, especially when joined by Breyer, whose constructivism sounds so wish-washy to me compared to Scalia&#039;s entertainingly snappish defense of originalism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, nice.  That article captures quite clearly just what I&#8217;ve been trying to get at, and how it&#8217;s connected with issues concerning fictionalism about values.  I agree with you about Scalia, too &#8212; again, just as a lay person who find entertainment in Scalia&#8217;s appearances on CSPAN, especially when joined by Breyer, whose constructivism sounds so wish-washy to me compared to Scalia&#8217;s entertainingly snappish defense of originalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Kleiner</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A pretty clear (and surprisingly non-critical) review of the battle of judicial philosophies here:
http://www.firstthings.com/on_the_square_entry.php?year=2009&amp;month=06&amp;title_link=sotomayor-the-subjectivist-124

It makes me think all the more that Sotomayor is a postmodernist of sorts.

One more point, at the risk of sounding like a eurocentric conservative crank.  George Will makes this point in his current column:  
&quot;Imagine the reaction if someone had unearthed in 2005 a speech in which then-Judge Samuel Alito had asserted, for example: &#039;I would hope that a white male with the richness of his traditional American values would reach a better conclusion than a Latina woman who hasn&#039;t lived that life&#039; -- and had proceeded to speak of &#039;inherent physiological or cultural differences.&#039; &quot;

Really, can you imagine?!  Would we be explaining the comment away by placing it in context, etc etc?  I rather doubt it.  Instead he would have been absolutely crucified for it, it would have been regarded as an absolutely unforgivable remark, and he&#039;d be dead on arrival when it came to confirmation.  You can defend just about anything these days, so long as you do not defend the West.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A pretty clear (and surprisingly non-critical) review of the battle of judicial philosophies here:<br />
<a href="http://www.firstthings.com/on_the_square_entry.php?year=2009&#038;month=06&#038;title_link=sotomayor-the-subjectivist-124" rel="nofollow">http://www.firstthings.com/on_the_square_entry.php?year=2009&#038;month=06&#038;title_link=sotomayor-the-subjectivist-124</a></p>
<p>It makes me think all the more that Sotomayor is a postmodernist of sorts.</p>
<p>One more point, at the risk of sounding like a eurocentric conservative crank.  George Will makes this point in his current column:<br />
&#8220;Imagine the reaction if someone had unearthed in 2005 a speech in which then-Judge Samuel Alito had asserted, for example: &#8216;I would hope that a white male with the richness of his traditional American values would reach a better conclusion than a Latina woman who hasn&#8217;t lived that life&#8217; &#8212; and had proceeded to speak of &#8216;inherent physiological or cultural differences.&#8217; &#8221;</p>
<p>Really, can you imagine?!  Would we be explaining the comment away by placing it in context, etc etc?  I rather doubt it.  Instead he would have been absolutely crucified for it, it would have been regarded as an absolutely unforgivable remark, and he&#8217;d be dead on arrival when it came to confirmation.  You can defend just about anything these days, so long as you do not defend the West.</p>
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		<title>By: Kleiner</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 15:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scalia, I think, is a better representative of originalism - and has not always been in lock-step with the contemporary Republican Party (flag burning comes to mind).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scalia, I think, is a better representative of originalism &#8211; and has not always been in lock-step with the contemporary Republican Party (flag burning comes to mind).</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 13:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But as a regulative principle, as an ideal governing how one styles the structure of one&#039;s deliberations, is it an absurdity?  That, I take it, from watching Scalia and Breyer together on CSPAN, is part of what&#039;s at issue between Originalists and Living Constitution types.  The former think of objectivity so conceived as something to which one should try to approximate, demanding that one shed, as far as possible, the contribution of those &quot;other tools&quot;; whereas the latter, I take it, start off with an attitude toward those &quot;other tools&quot; as enabling, rather than merely distortive, features of interpretation.  It&#039;s not clear to me how such a fundamental difference can be adjudicated except by calling attention to the actual historical record (e.g., Toobin&#039;s observation that &quot;Roberts has served the interests, and reflected the values, of the contemporary Republican Party&quot;).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But as a regulative principle, as an ideal governing how one styles the structure of one&#8217;s deliberations, is it an absurdity?  That, I take it, from watching Scalia and Breyer together on CSPAN, is part of what&#8217;s at issue between Originalists and Living Constitution types.  The former think of objectivity so conceived as something to which one should try to approximate, demanding that one shed, as far as possible, the contribution of those &#8220;other tools&#8221;; whereas the latter, I take it, start off with an attitude toward those &#8220;other tools&#8221; as enabling, rather than merely distortive, features of interpretation.  It&#8217;s not clear to me how such a fundamental difference can be adjudicated except by calling attention to the actual historical record (e.g., Toobin&#8217;s observation that &#8220;Roberts has served the interests, and reflected the values, of the contemporary Republican Party&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Harris</title>
		<link>http://usuphilosophy.com/2009/05/28/sotomayor-thoughts/#comment-2970</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven Harris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 01:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the hand-wringing about Obama&#039;s &quot;empathy&quot; statement are really off the deep end. The critics seem to assume that Obama meant that empathy was ALL that a judge needed. Might he have been saying that empathy was simply ONE useful tool, one of many that make for a good judge.

On the other hand, &quot;objectivity&quot; is often placed before us by conservative critics of the Sotomayor nomination, as the ultimate characteristic of a judge. I will not argue from a philosophical perspective whether objectivity really exists. I&#039;ll accept dispassionate reasoning (neutrality?) as another useful tool for a judge. Again, it is only one tool.

Truthfully, law is about ANALYZING and INTERPRETING texts like the U. S. Constitution. Only adherents  of Natural Law believe that legal truth can be known without interpretation of texts. Interpretation is a task that requires many human faculties. If objectivity were the only required skill, then the best judge would be  someone who had never lived in the world, someone who had been locked in a closet somewhere with nothing but food, drink, and the legal texts themselves. “Please interpret these laws with no outside input whatsoever.” That’s an absurdity. Interpretation of law ALWAYS involves knowledge of the texts AND the world in which they were composed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the hand-wringing about Obama&#8217;s &#8220;empathy&#8221; statement are really off the deep end. The critics seem to assume that Obama meant that empathy was ALL that a judge needed. Might he have been saying that empathy was simply ONE useful tool, one of many that make for a good judge.</p>
<p>On the other hand, &#8220;objectivity&#8221; is often placed before us by conservative critics of the Sotomayor nomination, as the ultimate characteristic of a judge. I will not argue from a philosophical perspective whether objectivity really exists. I&#8217;ll accept dispassionate reasoning (neutrality?) as another useful tool for a judge. Again, it is only one tool.</p>
<p>Truthfully, law is about ANALYZING and INTERPRETING texts like the U. S. Constitution. Only adherents  of Natural Law believe that legal truth can be known without interpretation of texts. Interpretation is a task that requires many human faculties. If objectivity were the only required skill, then the best judge would be  someone who had never lived in the world, someone who had been locked in a closet somewhere with nothing but food, drink, and the legal texts themselves. “Please interpret these laws with no outside input whatsoever.” That’s an absurdity. Interpretation of law ALWAYS involves knowledge of the texts AND the world in which they were composed.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 23:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Compassion&quot; may not be the right term, but whatever it is that conservatives criticize about the &quot;liberal activist&quot; Warren Court might do the trick.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Compassion&#8221; may not be the right term, but whatever it is that conservatives criticize about the &#8220;liberal activist&#8221; Warren Court might do the trick.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 22:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Compassion can be a good quality for a judge. A judge that understands the circumstances of the crime may not force a victim to testify in court against the accuser(this sometimes happens in rape cases). Also the perpetrator may show sincere remorse for a crime and the judge may give a lesser sentence. 

However, I do not understand how compassion factors into cases involving the constitution. Supreme Court cases concern constitutional issues. The decisions made there effect generations of Americans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compassion can be a good quality for a judge. A judge that understands the circumstances of the crime may not force a victim to testify in court against the accuser(this sometimes happens in rape cases). Also the perpetrator may show sincere remorse for a crime and the judge may give a lesser sentence. </p>
<p>However, I do not understand how compassion factors into cases involving the constitution. Supreme Court cases concern constitutional issues. The decisions made there effect generations of Americans.</p>
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